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SMAC143 Interviews From Sun N Fun 2017

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Welcome to a special episode of the podcast, featuring interviews from Sun N Fun 2017! Tonight Carl and Russ Roslewski will introduce and discuss the interviews conducted at the show. You can also check them out on LiveATC.net and Chats From The Deck.

Cruise Flight:

Interviews featured on this show:

  • Jerrod and Jordan Hildreth, twins who received a Cessna 150 for their 15th birthday, which they completely refurbished including paint, wings, re-upholstered, engine, etc. all in about 4 months. They used it to learn how to fly in their own aircraft. They are now 17, however, this is their 18th trip to Sun n Fun, as their parents have come every year.
  • Andy Wall, CEO of AutoGyro USA discussing a new model of gyrocopter they premiered at Sun n Fun. The copter features advanced ergonomics, longer range, new look and styling, and a pre-rotation system that shortens the takeoff time considerably.
  • Paul Schulten, Pilot of Eagle Air Show. He flies a Christen Eagle, and has won awards for his acrobatics and learned from Miss Patty Wagstaff, his ACE.
  • Brad M. from Pipistrel, which makes a self-launching glider, which has a small engine to take off without being towed, can fly by engine with very low fuel usage, or turn off the engine and glide. You can get your Glider license at 14, which means you can solo their airplane, with a motor on it, 2 years before you can drive a car!
  • Carl interviews Eric from Monarch Aviation, Aviation Maintenance Technician of the year for the Southern Region, along with Kevin Lacey from Airplane Repo.
  • Russ interviews Nick Hanks of Hanks' Aero Adventures that has a self-flying safari out of Johannesburg. They provide the plane, accommodations at stops, as well as all the details for sights to see, best altitudes, airport information, etc.
  • Russ interviews Glen Ferguson from IAMA (International Association of Missionary Aviation). They are the overall coordinating association for about 60 mission organizations and support groups flying missionaries all over the world. He then interviewed Will from Mission Aviation Fellowship, Randy Smith from New Tribes Mission Aviation, Kerrick Tweedy of SOAR (Service Oriented Aviation Readiness), Byea Lacerta of Hope Alliance, Bruce Wolf of Brigade Air, Lori McClary of MMS (Missionary Maintenance Service), Jay Bigley of Moody Aviation, Crystal Pitts from the College of Missionary Aviation, Mike Mower of JAARS (Jungle Aviation and Radio Service), Keswick Camp of Missionary Flight Training, Missionary Flights International, John Hoke of MASA (Mission Aviation Support Association of Florida).
  • Jason Shappert of MzeroA.
  • Joanna and Jared Jestice. Joanna is 17 and received her license at the beginning of the year. Jared is almost 16. They flew to Sun n Fun from Arkansas, about 850 miles. they flew a Cessna 150.
  • Mark Holt, who has an amazing paint job on a Phenom 100 called the Millennium Phenom because it is painted with elements from the Millennium Falcon of Star Wars, elements from Star Trek, and Back to the Future.
  • Mark Sorenson, Lead Pilot of Twin Tigers Acrobatic Team.
  • Lt. Col. Tom "Outlaw" Gustin of NORAD at Peterson Air Force Base, teaching people about how to avoid entering restricted airspace.

After Landing Checklist:

Picks of the Week:

No picks this week, as this is an interview show.

Links Mentioned in this Podcast:


In this episode we answer your questions. Joining me today is Eric Crump, Aerospace Director of Polk State College and all round good guy. Welcome to the show Eric.


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Eric announced that one of his students Dylan became a CFI. Dylan is a flight team member and one of Carl mentees.

Listener Questions and Feedback:

Carl and Eric start with an explanation of how VA benefits can be used for flight instruction, and referenced a long and detailed explanation of the benefits. Eric gave a great summary of the rules. Here is the complete e-mail from a listener:

Thank you for your superb podcast! I can't count how many of my questions were answered just by listening to your shows. I appreciate the quality, depth, heart & humor that you, your co-hosts & guests put into it. Its truly a treasure. And not just for me, but also for my students. I don't listen just for my own sake, but also so I can better answer my students' questions about career issues. As a CFI these questions come up frequently, so your message is reaching them too!

Speaking of students, I saw your post saying you'd like to hear from listeners who have experiences as veterans using benefits to further an aviation career. I'm happy to report I utilized GI Bill benefits to culminate with a full-time government piloting career w/ excellent pay, benefits, & job satisfaction--can't beat the view from the "office" (the cockpit)! I served as an Air Force officer in Afghanistan among other places.

My career field in the Air Force is very high-demand, so there was no opportunity for me to transfer to become a pilot in the Air Force. After realizing this and doing some soul-searching I decided to leave active duty and go into the Reserves so I could attend civilian flight training to become a professional pilot.

I was already a private pilot and had a bachelor's degree, but I still needed to get advanced flight training from Instrument on. I decided to go to Western Michigan University's College of Aviation for my flight training since they had an excellent program & reputation for flight training and also since my wife could go back to school in Music which is another strong program at Western Michigan (WMU).

My plan was to use GI Bill funding & possibly some student loans to help pay for my flight training. In addition to the quality flight training at WMU, I also chose to go to flight school there because as a university program it is categorized as an Institution of Higher Learning (IHL) where the GI Bill and other financial aid options can be more fully leveraged as opposed to a non-college (non-IHL) flight school. It turns out these were all great decisions.

After leaving active duty my wife & I packed up our moving truck and drove off into the dark on our road trip to Michigan from across the country. I say it was a drive into the dark because we had no idea where we would work, I still had no confirmation of being hired into a Reserve unit, and we didn't know exactly how we would pay for all of this going back to school business (especially the flying).

However, we felt like it was the right thing to do after considerable thought, soul searching, discussions and prayers...so off we went! We felt like we really needed to accomplish our dreams while we had the chance because we knew eventually it might get tougher once we have kids and who knows if we'd ever have the opportunity again.

It only took a matter of days after arriving in Michigan before I started my Cirrus transition course so I could begin Instrument training at WMU. Thankfully there were some really helpful people at WMU that knew how to help me navigate all the technicalities with the GI Bill funding and they got me set up for success. Because I was attending an Institution of Higher Learning (an accredited university flight program w/ VA-approved flight training), almost all of my Part 141 flight lab costs were covered. Plus my tuition for ground and other university classes were also covered... classes like Instrument & Commercial ground school, Aviation Weather, etc. I actually did my commercial training in a multi-engine aircraft (the Seminole) and added the single-engine rating afterwards.

The benefit of doing it that way was I wound up w/ more MEL time after finishing the Commercial Pilot training which of course is what many employers want to see. Occasionally there were things like study materials, written tests, the Cirrus transition course, and flight exams I had to pay for out-of-pocket, but basically all of my Part 141 training to include Instrument, Commercial MEL, Commercial SEL add-on, and the university classes were all covered. The colleges calculate cost estimates for completing flight labs and run those figures through the VA for approval, so the amount the VA covers might not be the whole amount depending on how an individual student progresses, but it certainly covered most of it in my experience.

I absolutely loved being a flight student at Western Michigan. The Cirrus aircraft were really neat and slick airplanes to fly with glass cockpit avionics. The big wrap-around screen Cirrus flight simulators were especially cool for the Instrument training (parachute deployment practice and all!) and I had great instructors all around. Can't say enough good about the program there, including how helpful their staff were for managing the GI Bill funding.

When I decided to become a CFI I had to switch to do CFI training at a different university because WMU's CFI course was to yet approved for Part 141 / VA funding at the time, but it looks like WMU does have a VA-approved program for CFI training now.

Keep in mind that as this is all happening I was also working on a Master's degree, I became a father, we bought a house and flipped it, and I got sent to Afghanistan on a deployment, all the while working at least 1/2 time for the Air Force. So it took me a while , approximately 5 years to chip away at the flight training, but eventually I got that CFI while I was working a full-time job as an Air Force civilian employee.

With the CFI in hand I quickly realized I had an opportunity to start flying for a living, so I took yet another step into the dark. I left my well-paying Air Force job to go flight instruct at a great FBO. It was a massive pay cut but a better office; a cockpit! I loved teaching and flying every day and seeing my students take flight while I was learning so much from the other instructors I worked with.

While I was flight instructing I was able to use GI Bill again to upgrade to CFII under a VA-approved 141 program. This time it was using GI Bill for flight training in a vocational flight school, not an Institution of Higher Learning. That's an important distinction to make. Although almost all my costs for the CFII were covered by VA, the cost to me as far as what was being taken out of my benefits was basically more expensive to me.

Here's why: Veterans under the Post-9/11 GI Bill are eligible for up to 36 mo's of benefits. If I were to use benefits at an IHL for one semester, the VA covers my costs for that semester and then says, ok, we paid for your school that semester, which is about 4 months long, so now you have 4 months of benefits that you used, so now you have 4 months less time available to use your GI Bill benefits. So if you started at 36 mo's, now you have 32 mo's remaining.

But if you do your training vocationally, not at an IHL, then the calculations are different. In this case, VA says, ok, for *vocational* flight training we will approve up to (estimate) about $10,000 a year and no more than that.

So, let's say your CFII costs about $5,000. Well that means you spent half of what we would approve for the year, so we're going to take 6 months of benefits (half a year) from your total benefits available. So if you started with 36 mo's, now you only have 30 mo's remaining. So if you think about it, the vocational training benefits are helpful, but compared to what I was able to get at an IHL, if you do the math, vocational flight training is a much more "expensive" cost to my GI Bill benefits.

Plus, and this is a big plus, if you are at an IHL and are enrolled full-time, you are also eligible for a pretty significant housing allowance. So what I have found is the secret to maximizing Post 9/11 GI Bill benefits is to do the training at an institution of higher learning (side benefit- you get a degree & reduced ATP min's out of it too), and do a ton of training in very condensed periods of time. By condensing my flight training in the summer semesters when the weather was more favorable for flying and when the semesters are shorter I really got a lot of bang for the buck.

In fact, by condensing I had enough time in my GI Bill benefits leftover that I was able to fund almost all of my Masters degree through the remaining GI Bill benefits.

The key is to condense the training. Of course doing it that way means it's kind of like drinking from a fire hose, and I had to throttle back on my professional work during the cram periods, but in the end it paid off because I was able to accomplish both my aviation program and graduate school goals without having to pay much out of pocket.

Keep in mind I am 100% eligible, so other categories for VA funding prorated based on an individual's type and length of service in the military. And then there is the new stipulation that IHLs have to own & operate their own fleet and can't contract out in order for VA to fund it.

I should also mention that other veterans out there might want to consider how being in the Reserves might be able to help you cope with doing a career change and getting through school like I did. I found the Reserves to be a perfect means for making it through flight school and grad school while still being able to provide for a house because the pay & benefits are pretty good for the limited minimum amount of time commitment it entails, and the schedule can be really flexible and complementary to a school schedule if you are in the right type of unit.

In my case I was basically able to schedule my own work around classes, and after I got my Instrument and Commercial training done I started working in the summers full-time on Active Duty orders and that income went a long way towards carrying me through the school year. Plus it is a good way to stay involved in serving the country and having the kind of opportunities a lot of us were attracted to when we first joined the military. A side bonus is health care. When you're in full-time flight training or school, good health care can be hard to get, especially without paying much.

Two of our children were born while we were covered under Tricare Reserve Select (TRS) and the whole family's health insurance was covered for only about $200 a month. Reservists are typically eligible for TRS as long as they aren't on Active Duty or are enrolled in Federal Employee Health Benefits (FEHB).

I'm not sure if the other services do it, but in the Air Force Reserve there also is a tuition assistance program that you can use separate from the GI Bill to cover tuition for classes. It comes with a 3-year Reserve service commitment, so I used some tuition assistance my first year after joining the Reserves which meant it didn't really have an impact in extending my service since I already had a 4-yr commitment to the Reserves after separating from active duty. There also is a cap on the cost per credit hour but it definitely helped in my 1st year of grad school.

After flight instructing for about a year and half, I managed to get hired to fly for the government as a civilian GS employee and I'm totally having a blast! After all those years of work and school it is indescribably invigorating to realize I accomplished my dream of having a job where I get paid to fly airplanes!

It is even better since I'm flying for the government I also accomplished my goal of finding a piloting job where I can serve the country. Being a Government Service job it also has great pay, benefits, and job security, but the best part is I am home almost every night with the wife and kids. I'm almost at ATP hours now, so I'm weighing my options on moving to the airlines mostly owing to the "big shiny jet syndrome" you have spoken of, but the nice pay and schedule make it hard to leave my current.
I will probably be getting in touch with you later to get the coaching process started when the time is right, but for now I'm enjoying where I'm at and looking at how I got here with a grateful heart. I didn't decide to serve the country so I could become rich, few people probably do, but I have to say the GI Bill has certainly made me feel richly blessed. I hope some of my info might pay it forward and help some other veterans out there who listen to your show. Thanks again for the tremendous podcast and all you do for our aviation community.

Listener Mail Continues:

  • An oil and gas industry worker asks about the best way for him to transition to aviation, listing his choices and current credentials.
  • Request for a recommendation for a book or books to transfer his international licenses to FAA (US) licenses. He also requested a flight school in the Tampa Bay, FL area to help get ready.
  • A reader asked for comments about ride sharing jet ventures and if it is a viable business model.
  • Comments about banner towing and it's safety, which is dependent on the training you receive.

Pick Of the Week:

Gleim Red Books

Aviation Supplies and Academics


In episode 127 we discuss how to keep moving forward in your life and career even when faced with a setback and answer your questions. I'm joined again by Tom Wachowski of the Pilot Jet Podcast.  Tom has great insight and experience in the Aviation Industry, but he comes by it from a slightly different perspective working on the Corporate or Business side of Aviation.

Announcements: The 2017 version of the Aerospace Scholarships guide should be out and available by the time you listen to this episode. It is available for Kindle and iBooks for $9.99 on either platform.

Listener Email:

  • 57 years old with dispatcher certificate, wants to know if he is too old to start work and wants to know what he can do to keep current.
  • Studying aviation but is looking for options other than being a CFI to build your hours.
  • Student Pilot, working on Private Pilot, is there a Masters in Aviation that would qualify for GI Bill and help pay for the rest of the ratings?
  • Answers on questions about income as a Flight Attendant.
  • High School Senior, dream is to become a commercial pilot, dual enrollment program with high school and college, inquiring about process to becoming a commercial pilot and getting to majors.

ACP126 No Degree No Problem?

In this episode Tom Wachowski of the Private Jet Podcast joins me to discuss the costs of owning an aircraft, and to answer our listeners questions including: No degree, no problem?

In episode 126 Tom Wachowski joins me to discuss:

  • The importance of a college degree.
  • Veterans benefits section of the website.
  • Speaking more intelligently about business aviation.
  • Listener mail.


We have a page on our site http://www.aviationcareerspodcast.com/vets/. This page covers some of the questions we often get about using veteran's benefits to pay for flight training, however we would like to here from our listeners with any information or stories about vets and flying, or using benefits to move ahead in your career. Please send them to feedback@aviationcareers.com.

What Aircraft Costs are Important?

Listener Questions and Feedback:

  • 45 years old, running into a mental block on a check ride, afraid I am out of time. What do I do?
  • Degrees and getting into the majors: Can you get into the majors without a college degree? Can you fly outside the US without a degree? Are there ways to get government assistance in paying for your degree or loan?
  • Real Estate agent with 900 hours, looking to become a professional pilot without CFI, wondering if part 135 is an option and if resume needs to be 1 page when his is longer.

Preflight Checklist:

Carl is here with Russ, Tom  and Larry to discuss flight plan fear, dead reckoning legs, and a number of other topics. Rick is out tonight, battling a big snowstorm.

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Listener Mail:

Carl reads a great letter from a pilot who's girlfriend recently tried flying and liked it so much that she has taken it up and recently soloed! A shout out to Kimberly from the San Fernando 99's, who is now planning on attending AirVenture this year! Congratulations!


Larry - Sun n Fun (and other air show) volunteers who are planning, organizing, and preparing for safe and exciting fly-ins and air shows all across the country this season.

Cruise Flight:

Flight Plans:

  • Do you file flight plans when you fly?
  • How to file a flight plan.
  • Do you get a briefing every time you fly and how?

Dead Reckoning legs on Instrument Approach Procedures

Russ discusses dead reckoning legs and how he teaches his students to deal with it using the chart, GPS, FMS, etc. Russ has a great article on his website. The article is here.

Getting Current when you have been out of the cockpit for the Winter

With Spring coming (it REALLY IS coming, right??), and people getting ready for SnF and other aviation adventures, some of us colder-climate pilots are a little rusty. How do you plan to get back in the pilot’s seat after a few months of not being in the air? What if you’re IFR current, but maybe not so proficient. What do you do BEFORE you head out to the airport to get your head back in the game?

  • SIM time?
  • Reading?
  • Reviewing ACS?
  • Reviewing the POH?
  • Other?
  • What is that first flight going to be? Three landings and you’re good to go, or anything more structured? Slow flight, stalls, short takeoff/landing, ground reference maneuvers? Do you take an instructor or pilot friend? What thought goes into that first preflight?

After Landing Checklist:


Picks Of The Week:

Carl - Island Life HGTV Episode with TavernAero In Florida Keys

Russ - The Cannibal Queen by Stephen Coonts A book about a trip in a Steerman making almost 2 laps of the country in 1991.

Larry - Elevate your mood by purchasing your tickets for SnF, OSH, etc. in advance. Just doing that and knowing you have your tickets makes the show seem so much sooner!
SnF - http://www.flysnf.org/sun-n-fun-intl-fly-in-expo/admission-rates/
OSH - https://www.eaa.org/en/airventure/eaa-airventure-tickets

Tom - Ground School Academy, a great website for preparing for reviews. Their guarantee is if you don't pass your check ride, they will pay for it!

Video Of The Week:

Video of Toilet Paper Dog Fight


Interview on Ready For Takeoff Podcast Episode 067

It was a pleasure being interviewed by George Nolly on the Ready for Takeoff Podcast. We discussed inspiring pilots to pursue a career in aviation, scholarships, the flight team, and more. Click here or on the image to listen to Episode 67.

George Nolly launched his aviation career at 17 while still in high school. An appointment to the Air Force Academy prepared him for his two tours in Vietnam, flying O-2s over the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos and F-4 Phantoms over Hanoi. After his service, George went into commercial aviation, flying for United Airlines as Captain and Flight Instructor for 26 years. After finishing his Doctorate in Homeland Security, George went on to conduct airline safety audits for the for International Air Transport Association on carriers throughout the globe. George continues to instruct on the Boeing 777.

Listen to the my interview with Geaorge by clicking below:




ACP125 Drone Pilot Careers with Jon Rupprecht

Thinking of becoming a drone pilot? Want to know what opportunities are available in this new and exciting field of aviation? Want to know the future of drone careers?  Today I have with me Jon Rupprecht, drone attorney to answer these questions and discuss drone pilot careers.

Jonathan has made numerous media appearances on the topic of drones as a drone attorney. His legal analysis of drones has been sought after by major media networks and drone industry-specific media. Not only have the networks reached out to him for his analysis, they have cited his legal works when reporting on major drone-related stories.

Jon and I discuss:

  • Careers as a drone pilot.
  • The future of the drone industry.
  • Potential risks to your manned pilot certificate.
  • Cautions when combining a career as a drone pilot and a manned aircraft pilot.
  • The bright future of drones and careers in the drone business.
  • Why manned aircraft pilots make good drone pilots and it is not about the flying.


Thank you to our sponsor Three Point Aviation Services. Check out Three Point’s book and video on IFR holding at ExpertAviator.com. You can find out more about Three Point Aviation at www.3pointaviation.com or facebook.com/3pointaviation.




Preflight Checklist:


“Thank you to our sponsor Three Point Aviation Services. Check out Three Point’s book and video on IFR holding at ExpertAviator.com. You can find out more about Three Point Aviation at www.3pointaviation.com or facebook.com/3pointaviation.”


New Sun N Fun website: http://www.flysnf.org
Fly In April 4-9, 2017

Cruise Flight:

Flying with Diabetes : Raising Diabetes Awareness

Jeppesen Enhance the Charts in 2016. We will discuss some of the changes and how you can learn more at their training site:

Jeppesen Chart Changes for 2016

Hold Short of Where? Understanding The New Taxi Procedures. - This article was based on safety reports from 2011. In March of 2014 there was an ATO policy change and update to the pilot controller glossary. The following are links to the taxi diagram and the ATO Policy Change. I was going to change the original article but will rewrite and link to a new article incorporating the changes. I want to leave the old article because it demonstrates the confusion amongst pilots and controllers that led to many safety reports and a change in the policy.

KSDF Taxi Diagram

ATO Policy Change

After Landing Checklist:

Picks Of The Week:

Carl - Blood Pressure Refresher

Russ - The Savvy Flight Instructor: Secrets of the Successful CFI, 2nd edition.

Rick - deep weather ios app

Victoria - Scheyden Precision Eyewear, Watches, and Flight Crew Luggage 

Tom - TouchTrainer Flight Simulator

Links Mentioned In The Podcast:

Video Of The Week:

We have heard of living with your plane how about living IN your plane:


“Thank you to our sponsor Three Point Aviation Services. Check out Three Point’s book and video on IFR holding at ExpertAviator.com. You can find out more about Three Point Aviation at www.3pointaviation.com or facebook.com/3pointaviation.”


ganewscoverPreflight Checklist

In this episode we interview Ben Sclair, publisher of General Aviation News and Living With Your Plane. We also review the movie “Sully” and discuss lessons learned.

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Tom Frick received his  Instrument Flight Instructor Certificate!

Victoria Neuville- Paws and Planes. TurboTheFlyingDog.com or Facebook event.

Rick Felty - "Tabatha Fink" receives Readers favorite award.

Larry Overstreet - Listener feedback from JD Smoot.

Cruise Flight:

After Landing Checklist:

~Picks of the Week~

Sully the Movie

Sully the Book



Sully On Facebook

International Critical Incident Stress Foundation

Stiftung Mayday Foundation


ACP114 How Do Failed Check Rides Affect Employment?

ThuderstormsAndSunIn this episode we focus on the question how do failed check rides affect employment? Eric Crump joins me today to answer this and more aviation career questions.


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  • I Failed both an oral and flight portion of my check ride, what do I do?
  • My concern is if I leave my job, instruct, and then interview for the airlines and not get a job because of my disapprovals.
  • Should I give up on my dream of becoming an airline pilot?
  • I am Debating skipping last year of college to build hours. What is more important a college degree or jumping one year ahead?
  • Accelerated training programs discussed.
  • Dealing with a company showing poor integrity, wants to interview but afraid will get fired for interviewing.
  • Questions on flight training and scholarships from Africa.
  • Older worker, wants to know what his options are to become a pilot.
  • Questions on Great Lakes Airlines hiring part time pilots.


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